The NRA misfires
School Shields proposal an embarrassment for gun rights group

The late-night comics must be licking their chops in the wake of the National Rifle Association’s much-touted proposal for addressing gun violence in America in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings.

The organization’s proposal for a national “School Shields” program is a colossal misfire that was soundly and legitimately shredded by editorial boards, parents, and educators all around the country almost the moment it was released.

The proposal, for those who have not heard of the plan, entails posting armed guards at every school in America. It’s an overreaction that’s stunning for the lack of common sense that it reveals within the top ranks of the nation’s largest and supposedly most politically-powerful gun rights organization.

First of all, school shootings are exceedingly rare. For any given school, the odds of such an event are, thankfully, infinitesimal. Putting an armed guard, or guards, at each of the nation’s 98,000 school buildings would be incredibly expensive (more than $8 billion annually) and would very likely prevent absolutely nothing— and could even contribute to greater carnage in the rare case when a gunman actually enters a school.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre suggests that armed volunteers could take the place of paid security guards, a prospect that can only send shivers up the spines of educators, who already worry about checking into the backgrounds of volunteers who show up with nothing more deadly than books to read. Armed volunteers roaming the halls of schools all across America? Surely, Mr. LaPierre jests. It was only months ago, remember, that nine bystanders were shot in New York City as trained and experienced police officers responded to a gunman in the streets of the city. All nine of the bystanders were shot by police during the ensuing firefight. Now imagine the damage that could be inflicted by untrained and inexperienced volunteers in a similar situation. That, of course, assumes that the volunteers aren’t simply the first victims of any would-be shooter or shooters, as is the most likely scenario.

The NRA’s proposal is a gift to comics to be sure, but it can only be embarrassing for the many politicians who have closely aligned themselves with the organization. The NRA had made much of their big announcement this past Friday, and many commentators had anticipated that the organization might actually put forward a constructive proposal that suggested a willingness to embrace common sense gun control measures, such as limits on clip sizes, armor-piercing ammunition, or similar measures. It was a key opportunity for the organization to reclaim some initiative in the wake of last week’s horrific events, that have reignited a national conversation on gun control.

Instead, the organization doubled down with a “more-guns-is-the-answer” proposal that suggests an organization deeply out of touch with reality and the views of most Americans. The NRA, and the country, would have been better served by silence.

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On the subject of guns, the country would have been better served by silence by the mainstream media.

What then do you perceive the role of the media? To ignore the killing of 26 people? What is sacred about guns that should make them off limits to discussion?

The role of the media is to search for and report facts, and facts only. They should not ignore the killing of 26 people, they should focus on the killer and his mental condition and what led him to kill people, not the guns. Guns are sacred to our culture and not a one kills a person by itself. I have a few guns and none have ever killed a person. You are just paranoid, afraid of the thought that we have a constitutional right to own a gun, any kind of gun. You are not required to own a gun, I choose to own a gun, I have a right to own a gun (any kind of gun) and I don't want anybody, including the media, inciting the masses to force me to give mine up.

Hmmmmm? Sounds to me, given the strong emotion and distorted arguments that perhaps, just perhaps, there is another who might consider his mental condition.

Meanwhile, I must go in search of this paranoid feature I seem to have, yet have no awareness of. And while looking, think I will go out and purchase some small nuclear weapons, or perhaps a rocket propelled grenade launcher. It was you, was it not, just above, who said any gun is OK. Now, where does one go to buy these constitutionally allowed weapons. Oh, and I will say orrcountry said it was fine, my right

And with apologies for not including this in the above. I am also curious why on the one hand the Second Amendment is given a very strict interpretation ... yet the First Amendment ... well, I believe you are saying that the media is "limited to facts only". No opinions. Yet you bask in this opportunity to express your opinions. And yet the fact that guns were involved is seemingly off limits. Kind of "don't say what you want ... only say what I want".

Nope, not at all. What I am saying that the people hiding behind the first amendment want unbridled rights (without restrictions) to say what they want. I buy that. But when they call out for restrictions on the second amendment, I call that hypocrisy. And if you support their call for unrestricted first amendment rights, while calling for restrictions on the second amendment, then you too, are a hypocrite. That's plain black & white. No "oh well" or "but" or exceptions. Guns are not the issue here, the people that kill other people are the issue. In order to have a strong first amendment, you must have a strong second amendment.

jt, I expect you to respond with but, but, buts. I don't buy it, I am a man of principle. So to you jt, allow me to leave you with an age old slogan: "People who think they know everything are particularly aggravating to those of us that do".

Hummm.Seems a total ignoring of the issues and questions raised. And then to say he "knows everything.

I still await realistic response to my questions ... yes, they were questions.

More simply put.

One ... is there any weapon, gun, you name it ... that might be considered off limits for those who currently are able to purchase the "whatever is legal in your state" items?

and two, tell me again about how the first amendment should indeed be limited (a few more details please, as the Timberjay folks might be interested) all while the second amendment rights are totally unrestricted.?

Curious minds want to know.

Meanwhile, again ... where might I purchase a Thompson submachine gun? Surely your principles might have some insight into this simple question.

(and when you pull your head out of the sand, let me know ... then, and only then, might a reasonable discussion of the issue occur)

Any gun the government has and uses should be available to the public under the initial intent of the second amendment.

I do not propose any restrictions on the first amendment as long as the second amendment remains unrestricted as well. Slap restrictions on the second amendment, then we'll try to slap restrictions on the first amendment.

I do not know where you can purchase a "Tommy" gun. Maybe Al Capone has some extended relatives down there in Arizona to help you with your search. Make sure you don't kill anybody with the "Tommy" unless it is self-protection. We already have enough nuts out there killing people. By the way, can you clear a background check?

Methinks I have found the kind of thinking that may well be much of the problem.

(But at least he totally changed his mind about the first amendment ... I think. We'll see what he says with the next news article that damns itself my mentioning that someone killed another "using a gun". Oh, the shame of it all.)

(Still trying to picture a Loughner or Lanza with access to some of our governments' more "elaborate" weaponry)

It's interesting how the 2nd Amendment has been reinvented by the NRA and other pro-any gun groups. Until a few decades ago, it was simply taken as a given in constitutional law that the 2nd Amendment gave state militias (which no longer exist) a right to obtain and bear arms but did not give individuals a right to bear arms. Big clue is how you never hear pro-gun conservatives quote the first part of the amendment, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state", only the end part, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The writers of the 2nd Amendment could not have envisioned the arms we have now, semiautomatic and assault weapons. I think they would have been freaked out.

Most states regulate Sudafed and ID, etc required to buy it but people on terrorist watch lists not allowed to fly can buy guns. No background checks required to buy guns at gun shows. 40% of gun sales are sold by unlicensed dealers. Illegal online gun sales. Some states allow concealed or unconcealed gun carrying in bars, what could possibly go wrong there? A couple of states allow concealed carry weapons without any permit at all. It goes on and on with the NRA lobbying hard in favor of all this and even more dangerous practices.

orrcountry, have you ever had a neighbor constantly firing off weapons? It doesn't make one feel comfortable or safe in your own yard. HIs closet neighbors didn't take their kids for bike rides or walks along the road by his house for obvious reasons.The odd guy has passed on awhile ago so he didn't have time or access then to acquire a grenade launcher but I wouldn't have been surprised he would have had that too if he could have.

I don't get the appeal of assault weapons for even "sane" people. You either assault a non-human target or a human. How much fun can spraying a barrage of ammo at a cardboard target be? And I'm sure law enforcement is just thrilled with the loosening of gun regulation in recent years.

The leading cause of violent death in the US is homicide and suicides by guns. Check out the graph in Washington Post, "Guns kill people, in one chilling graph". The graph is 199 to 2007, I can't imagine what the numbers have been since.

The number of deaths in car accidents have been greatly reduced since seat belts and air bags became the norm. I have no idea why it is so hard to understand we need common sense gun safety on a par with auto safety. We are required to have driver's licenses, auto insurance, etc and no one questions those requirements.

Orrcountry thinks there should be silence on the gun massacres. We are way overdue for serious talk about gun safety.

I'm sick of the NRA's role in promoting unfettered gun ownership, lobbying and spending $19 million in the last election. Their solution is armed teachers, volunteer posses, etc in schools. Ridiculous. Former chief White House ethics lawyer for GW Bush, 2005 to 2007 and now professor of law at the U of MN, Richard Painter wrote and oped in the NYTimes, Dec 19, titled "The NRA Protection Racket". He makes the point that few want people bringing semiautomatic weapons into their neighborhoods saying, "Who worries about the inheritance tax when gun violence may kill off one's heirs in the second grade?"

(sound of applause echoes throughout the arena)

jt: The FBI reports an all time record 2.8 million background checks for December. November was also a record. Ammunition for rifles and handguns is flying off the shelf, some calibers will take 1-1/2 years to backfill the pipeline, more military style rifles are being sold now that Obama and his not so jolly band of supporters are calling for "reasonable" gun restrictions (whatever those are). People are crying out for their safety and the safety of their loved ones despite Obama's pledges. They want to be prepared the next time some mentally disturbed person seeks to get attention by killing people. Waiting for 911 doesn't cut it.

All of which means that insanity is in greater evidence than sanity. Are you really ready for some sort of war ... insurrection? What is the end game? And have you zero comment as to bonfire's comments ... or is simply arm arm arm the only direction you can see?

"Crying out for their safety" ... show me the support. Not in gun sales, but in actual evidence.

I said it before ... no need to say it again ... but i hope someone is keeping watch up there.

FBI reported record 2 million background checks in November. NRA is receiving between 6000 and 8000 new members daily. I don't know if we have enough insane asylums for you paranoid, anti-gun nuts. I hope so, you need help.

bonfire, the comments are baseless. I provide facts, bonfire and jt provide propaganda.

It is reported the News-Journal (New York) that published the names, addresses and locations of registered gun owners in their market area. In retribution, gun owners published the names, addresses and locations of employees working for the News-Journal. Now, the News-Journal, claiming threats made against it, has hired armed (AS IN WITH GUNS) guards to protect their premises. Police have confirmed no valid threats exist. Hypocrisy! Tell me there is no evidence of mental illness being exhibited by the newspaper here. They published names, addresses and locations of law abiding gun owners with the intent to harass and intimidate. When the screws were reversed, hypocritically they chose become afraid and protect themselves WITH LOADED GUNS. Facts.

"crying out for their safety". The new Sandy Hook elementary school will open today utilizing a former middle school in adjacent school district. Administrators of Sandy Hook announced this new school will be the safest school in America. Why? They have hired armed (AS IN LOADED GUNS) guards to protect their children. Seems they are balanced mentally and decided to give the NRA position a chance. If it works, children's lives are spared from the nuts. Why can't the rest of the nuts in the country at least give the NRA proposal a chance. The NRA has proof it has worked elsewhere, why not here? Give the NRA proposal a chance and let's quit fighting this issue all the time. FACTS.

orrcountry,

I would suggest a nice walk in the woods, watch a funny movie, turn off Fox News, you seem a bit tense and agitated.

The Sandy Hook students resume classes in an previously unused school 7 miles away in Monroe, newly refurbished with a security/surveillance system and patrolled by officers of the Monroe Police Dept., not by hired private armed security. Facts.

The NRA has "proof" "it" has worked elsewhere? Sure they do. The NRA is a lobbyist group for gun manufacturers many of whom are on the NRA board along with some nutty people like Ted Nugent. Of course, the NRA and Wayne LaPierre who takes home a salary of $1million a year advocate more guns. It's quite profitable for the NRA and the reason for their existence.

The NRA claims they are getting thousands of new members daily. If true, that is disturbing. We do know that guns and ammo are flying of the shelves which should worry all of us. People "crying out for safety" who immediately run out to buy up all the guns and ammo they can get their hands on are reacting out of blind fear. The NRA and other pro-guns and more guns are the answer groups are very good at playing on and stoking the fears of so many gun owners. Ka-ching, ka-ching.

I don't know of any home up here in the north that doesn't contain hunting rifles or a handgun or two. I also don't know of any or know only a couple of those hand gun owners who have even considered or would want to carry a handgun around on their person regularly, out of their yard or at all ever. When they are doing is crying out for common sense gun safety as MH mentioned. None of them belong to the NRA or have dropped out due objecting to the NRA's advocating irresponsible gun ownership and dangerous practices.

Dec. 19, a 61 year old man "lost" his beretta semi-automatic, loaded, safety off, in an Oregon movie theatre. The next day, 3 bus loads of 7th graders had a field trip to the movie theatre when one 12 year old heard a clink when he sat in his seat. Another 7th grader noticed it was a gun that had dropped to the floor. Thank goodness, the sensible boys told the teacher who called the police instead of touching the gun. The gun owner was embarrassed but said he always keeps the gun loaded with a round in the chamber because he never knows when he may have to use it, mentioning the recent mass shootings.

All those panicked folks out there arming themselves out of terror sure don't make me feel safer, just the opposite. Fear that paralyzes rational thinking creates loose cannons.

(Bonfire ... please email me using my id on the Timberjay at gmail.com.)

Note to FBI: Possible subversive communications between jtmormoen and bonfire crossing state lines. Potential threat to society. Monitor.

"The Illinois Senate pulled the plug on legislation to ban military style assault weapons and high-capacity ammo clips late Thursday, a stinging rebuke to democrats and a wake-up call to the President and his supporters who think the Newtown, CT school child slayings will make it easy to pass gun control". Washington Examiner January 4, 2013.

"In a big victory for gun rights advocates, a federal appeals court on December 11,2012, struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in Illinois_the only remaining state where carrying concealed weapons is entirely illegal". Washington Examiner January 4, 2913.

Only the facts, boys and girls, only the facts. No emotions here bonfire.

In Ohio, over 1000 teachers have already signed up for concealed carry training being offered free of charge. Also, in Texas and Utah, hundreds of teachers in each state have signed up for the same concealed carry training permits.

From MSNBC interview with Chris Christie.

"Governor Chris Christie explained he has banned the popular "Call to Duty" series of video games in his house because of their desensitizing effect on children.

Christie clarified during the show that he was primarily advocating for more parental responsibility.

The ultimate way and best way to do it would be for parents to sel-police.

The Connecticut school shooting gunman Adam Lanza reportedly spent hours playing the popular "Call of Duty" first person shooter game in his basement.

You cannot tell me that a kid sitting in a basement for hours playing Call of Duty and killing people over and over does not desensitize that child to the real life effects of violence, Christie asserted"

The D. C. Attorney's General office will decide whether anyone will be prosecuted for an incident in which NBC News reporter David Gregory displayed what was said to be a high-capacity gun magazine on "Meet The Press".

(The Metropolitan Police Department) has completed the investigation into this matter, and the case has been presented to the OAG for determination of the prosecutorial merit of the case, D.C. Police spokeswoman Gwendolyn Crump wrote in an e mail.

Gregory held up the magazine on the December 23 "Meet The Press" episode, when he was interviewing National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre about the deadly shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT.

High capacity ammunition magazines are illegal in the District, where the show was filmed.

Police have said that NBC had asked officers whether they could use a high-capacity magazine for the segment but that the request was denied. Washington Examiner January 9, 2013.

Poster's note: The media seems to think they are above the law, they don't obey existing gun laws, and then blame law-abiding gun owners for killings in the country. Who can blame them? Inner city people and people who just don't and can't stand the sight of a firearm are manna for their propaganda. Orr Country

The National Rifle Association reveals this morning that it has a gain of over 100,000 members in the past 18 days as their membership has jumped from 4.1 million to 4.2 milliion.

"Our goal is to get to 5 million before this debate is over", a member of the organization tells Playbook this morning.

A paid membership is $25.00. --Washington Examiner January 10, 2013.

Wyoming lawmakers have proposed a new bill, if passed, would nullify any federal restrictions on guns, threatening to jail federal agents attempting to confiscate guns, ammunition magazines or ammunition.

The bill - HB0104 - states that "any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitations on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming".

(Wyoming State Senator) Larry Hicks added that guns in Western states like Wyoming were "part of our culture" which imparted an understanding of the responsibilities of

guns to state's citizens. "Because of that culture, we are well- versed in the use of guns and gun safety", he explained. -- Washington Examiner January 10, 2013.

So much for Vice President Joe Biden's "listening session" with the National Rifle Association.

In a statement just issued, the NRA said that Biden and his team drawing up gun-control legislation weren't listening to the NRA and entered the meeting today with a closed mind.

"We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment," said the gun rights organization. "While claiming that no policy proposals would be 'prejudged,' this [Biden] Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans," the NRA added

Below is the statement just received by Secrets:

Statement From the National Rifle Association of America Regarding Today's White House Task Force Meeting

Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be "prejudged," this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not. --Washington Examiner January 10, 2013.

Poster's note: So much for wanting to find solutions by working together. Orrcountry.

Its sad that the NRA has not changed its stance and become resonable. Back in 1994 the head of the NRA said I realize that not outlawing armour piercing bullets that will go thru bullet proof vests more policemen will get killed,but it is worth it(how sic are these folks) because we will retain are rights. Some think it is more important to have assualt rifles than save children.

I think some people have obtained the mentality of the taliban and is heading our country in that direction. They can reason whatever they want.

I suppose their solution,each school bus will have a armed officer,football games,maybe a dozen officers carrying weapons-when does it end.

Drugs like Opium don't kill people people do-so why outlaw drugs? Their is a reason why in both cases.

You should also read and look up What Warren Burger Head of the Supreme court at one time, appointed by a conservative Republican president said about the second Admendment.

What about what Ronald Reagan said-there has to be some control over assualt weapons.

Assault style rifles should be banned from the police and military, otherwise the citizenry has every right to possess one under the second amendment. The second amendment was not inserted to protect hunting, it was intended to protect the citizenry against forces both outside and inside their control. Namely, government rule over people. Do your own reading there snowshoe, check out the attitude by the founders toward the King of England when the amendments were written. If a police officer or a military officer comes to your house with a military style weapon, you should be able to defend yourself with a rifle of equal power. Study your history snowshoe.

By the way, psychiatrists are available to help you with your paranoia, and to improve your reasoning capabilities. Check them out perhaps they can help you.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The video game industry, blamed by some for fostering a culture of violence, defended its practices Friday at a White House meeting exploring how to prevent horrific shootings like the recent Connecticut elementary school massacre.

Vice President Joe Biden, wrapping up three days of wide-ranging talks on gun violence prevention, said the meeting was an effort to understand whether the U.S. was undergoing a "coarsening of our culture."

"I come to this meeting with no judgment. You all know the judgments other people have made," Biden said at the opening of a two-hour discussion. "We're looking for help."

Afterward, the Entertainment Software Association said in a statement that it had told Biden that "independent, scientific research conducted to date has found no causal connection between video games and real-life violence."

"We also recognized that gun violence is a serious problem in our country," the group said, adding that "as an industry integral to the social and cultural fabric of America" it wanted to work toward "meaningful solutions." It didn't say what those might be.

The gaming industry says that violent crime, particularly among the young, has fallen since the early 1990s while video games have increased in popularity.

There are conflicting studies on the impact of video games and other screen violence. Some conclude that video games can desensitize people to real-world violence or temporarily quiet part of the brain that governs impulse control. Other studies have concluded there is no lasting effect.

Cheryl Olson, a participant in Biden's meeting and a researcher of the effect of violent video games, said there was concern among industry representatives that they would be made into a scapegoat in the wake of the Connecticut shooting.

"The vice president made clear that he did not want to do that," Olson said.

Biden is expected to suggest ways to address violence in video games, movies and on television when he sends President Barack Obama a package of recommendations for curbing gun violence Tuesday. The proposals are expected to include calls for universal background checks and bans on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

Obama appointed Biden to lead a gun violence task force after last month's shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that left 20 children and six educators dead.

Gun-safety activists were coalescing around expanded background checks as a key goal for the vice president's task force. Some advocates said it may be more politically realistic -- and even more effective as policy -- than reinstating a ban on assault weapons.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said some 40 percent of gun sales happen with no background checks, such as at gun shows and by private sellers over the Internet or through classified ads.

"Our top policy priority is closing the massive hole in the background check system," the group said Friday.

While not backing off support for an assault weapons ban, some advocates said there could be broader political support for increasing background checks, in part because that could actually increase business for retailers and licensed gun dealers who have access to the federal background check system.

"The truth is that an assault weapons ban is a very important part of the solution -- and it is also much tougher to pass," said Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

Restrictions on high-capacity ammunition magazines are also seen by some as an easier lift politically than banning assault weapons.

The National Rifle Association adamantly opposes universal background checks, as well as bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines -- all measures that would require congressional approval. The NRA and other pro-gun groups contend that a culture that glamorizes violence bears more responsibility for mass shootings than access to a wide range of weapons and ammunition.

In a 2009 report, the American Academy of Pediatrics declared, "The evidence is now clear and convincing: Media violence is one of the causal factors of real-life violence and aggression."

The report focused on all types of media violence. But for video games in particular, the pediatricians cited studies that found high exposure to violent ones increased physical aggression at least in the short term, and warned that they allow people to rehearse violent acts. On the other hand, it said friendly video games could promote good behavior.

A wide spectrum of the video game industry was represented at the meeting with the vice president, including the makers of violent war video games like "Call of Duty" and "Medal of Honor" and a representative from the Entertainment Software Ratings Board, which sets age ratings that on every video game package released in the United States.

The vice president met Thursday with representatives from the entertainment industry, including Motion Picture Association of America and the National Cable & Telecommunications Association. In a joint statement after the meeting, a half-dozen said they "look forward to doing our part to seek meaningful solutions" but offered no specifics.

Biden, hinting at other possible recommendations to the president, said he is interested in technology that would keep a gun from being fired by anyone other than the person who bought it. He said such technology may have curtailed what happened last month in Connecticut, where the shooter used guns purchased by his mother.

The vice president has also discussed making gun trafficking a felony, a step Obama can take through executive action. And he is expected to make recommendations for improving mental health care and school safety.

"We know this is a complex problem," Biden said. "We know there's no single answer."

The president plans to push for the new measures in his State of the Union address, scheduled for Feb. 12.

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Associated Press writers Lauran Neergaard and Darlene Superville contributed to this report.

Poster note: Why is it OK for the video industry to deny responsibility for killings, yet the NRA has to shoulder all the blame? --Orrcountry.

Bonfire and snowshoe ... do as you wish, obviously, but the more I read the more his comments ... when read with critical thinking ... just support the sides of the issue we have argued. Therefore ... let him go!

Sit back and grin and enjoy it. And say thanks.

jt, I have moved on. I got bored with that exercise in futility.

I was briefly amused visualizing those men from such diverse backgrounds spending so much time, sweat, effort and sacrifice in writing a framework for a brand new country, some of them dying before seeing it implemented and many dying destitute yet they deliberately or didn't notice they wrote that citizens had a right to violently overthrow that same government they created. Oh wait.....

I too had moved on ... although curiosity kept me peeking. If you got my note to email me above, please do so. Had some more to pass on offline.

And your word "futility" was excellently used.

The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

George Mason

Co-author of the Second Amendment

during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

The Founding Fathers on Arms

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

George Washington

First President of the United States

Won't make any difference, but ... http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

I read your recommendation. Question is...who are we to believe? The original version or the modern revised version?

Like I said, it won't make any difference

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